Ok, what about Bourgault grain carts? « Thread Started on Oct 31, 2009, 7:06pm »
So what do you think of the Bourgault grain carts with the 8 tires on them? Turret auger seems nice, and floatation should be excellent. brochure says 350 bu./min, thats fast enough for us
Re: Ok, what about Bourgault grain carts? « Reply #2 on Oct 31, 2009, 10:30pm »
well, can buy a demo'd 1100 for 45,000 or a new 1200 for 58,500. A new Killbros. is 53,000. Kinze is around 65,000 and the Balzer is 68,000. Parker is the cheapest. I can get a 938 they claim holds 1000 bu. for about 40,000 scale and tarp but compaction would be much worse, and it would tend to buck I'm sure.
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Re: Ok, what about Bourgault grain carts? « Reply #3 on Oct 31, 2009, 10:44pm »
I say why deal with all those little tires? There are lots of options that provide adequate floatation without complicating things, big single floaters, tandem walking duals, even tracks are going to be less maintenance in the future. I don't like it because its slow and you cannot use its full capacity because the auger is in the way, you have to have the auger off to the side and bit and you partially dump ontop of it. If you do fill the cart then the auger would have to push its way through the grain to fold out. Bourgault usually is priced higher than the competition and usually delivers a superior product because of it but not this time IMO. You can't go wrong with a Unverferth/Brent corner auger cart or even a Brent Avalanche if you want something fancy.
Re: Ok, what about Bourgault grain carts? « Reply #4 on Nov 1, 2009, 8:11am »
I agree with JD too many tires and just too many better less complicated carts on the market. I wouldn't but one for 20k less than a brent, unverferth, J&M etc.
Re: Ok, what about Bourgault grain carts? « Reply #5 on Nov 1, 2009, 3:52pm »
Give me an example of a tire setup that would even be close to providing the flotation of a Bourgault or Balzer. Seems to me corner auger carts get too close to the truck/trailer as well. 350 bu./min is about twice as fast as our current cart is. Don't understand though where even big duals will provide adequate floatation comparted to eight floatation tires. Fill a big cart on wet ground....drive 8-10 mph across your field, then go back and see if you can break through the ground where the tread left its mark.....compaction is underrated in most farmers eyes and is a huge yield robber. what about auger flighting....better/worse...reliability....I can work around the turret auger design....give me more reasons why I shouldn't own one
Re: Ok, what about Bourgault grain carts? « Reply #7 on Nov 1, 2009, 7:00pm »
here's the thing, I've never been around one in a field, but have looked at them at farm shows. From my observation, it appears they would have excellent flotation, easy unloading with the unique for a grain cart unloading auger, visibility of whats behind you when empty, and appear very durable. I know Allen harvesting runs 3 of them and they love them....I was looking for second opinions on durability issues that anyone has had if any. Gearboxes??????how are they????Bearing issues?????Auger flighting??????Not only do they appear to have excellent flotations, along with that it appears would have a very good ride. I would buy one cause I don't think 2 900 metric tires are sufficient for 1000+ bushels.....I don't like corner auger carts cause they are difficult to pull up to trucks with tall sleepers/exhaust stacks/and in our area, we have tall trailers to maximize efficiency when hauling sunflowers and you must be able to pile in the middle of the trailer, which can get tricky if your auger is inches away from your trailers ledge. They just look well thought out, but wanted all opinions, good and bad, with real world experiences from people who have owned them. Maybe the cart isn't what it appears....but to me it looks like a well made cart that makes sense.
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Re: Ok, what about Bourgault grain carts? « Reply #9 on Nov 1, 2009, 7:50pm »
Well, I am only familiar with the Brent and a little with the Balzer cart. If maintained properly both carts are very well built with no issues from 6 years of use with the Brent (1084) cart.
I was looking for second opinions on durability issues that anyone has had if any. Gearboxes??????how are they????Bearing issues?????Auger flighting??????Not only do they appear to have excellent flotations, along with that it appears would have a very good ride. I would buy one cause I don't think 2 900 metric tires are sufficient for 1000+ bushels.....I don't like corner auger carts cause they are difficult to pull up to trucks with tall sleepers/exhaust stacks/and in our area, we have tall trailers to maximize efficiency when hauling sunflowers and you must be able to pile in the middle of the trailer, which can get tricky if your auger is inches away from your trailers ledge. They just look well thought out, but wanted all opinions, good and bad, with real world experiences from people who have owned them. Maybe the cart isn't what it appears....but to me it looks like a well made cart that makes sense.
First off its a Bourgault its gonna be just fine in the reliability/durability aspect. That being said it looks like a few of us on here just don't like the design, doesn't mean they won't work. But, you really need to have a closer look at corner auger carts, from what your describing it sounds like your are describing the ones of the past. The new corner auger(brent) have alot longer augers with direct-able spouts which get you away from the truck/trailer edge and in the middle of the trailer. The newest models you can get 1100s, or walking tandem duals which float better than you think. Our local Hutterite colony has two of the Bourgaults and they said they want a Brent 1594. They came to look at mine, said the Bourgault was too slow. I'll bet the Bourgault is $$$$$$$ tho, you could probably consider a Brent with tracks for similar price.
well, can buy a demo'd 1100 for 45,000 or a new 1200 for 58,500. A new Killbros. is 53,000. Kinze is around 65,000 and the Balzer is 68,000. Parker is the cheapest. I can get a 938 they claim holds 1000 bu. for about 40,000 scale and tarp but compaction would be much worse, and it would tend to buck I'm sure.
Just bought a 1050 Demco with tarp, adjustable spout, and new controller for $35,000. Also the corner auger from ground to auger is about 16'. That's pretty good.... ....All our semi's have 60" stand-up sleepers and tall stacks.
Re: Ok, what about Bourgault grain carts? « Reply #12 on Nov 1, 2009, 10:52pm »
I don't know that I'm sold on them. As far as pricing on them, a new 1200 Bourgault is about $58,500. Our John Deere dealer ahd one of those big Brent carts 1594 I guess, they wanted over $90,000 for it. I think it had 4 big tires in I'm not mistaken. The Demco's are nice, we ran along with an 8010 with a Demco and they did have the hitch break completely off, and there were welds on other parts of the cart as well so that concerned us. The Parker looks like a good bang for the buck at around $39,500 but they you get one big single, and all I know is its a lot of weight on my 9070 to get a full grain tank with my 900 singles.....1,000 bushels on 2 of them seems like a lot of weight, and we think it would have a lot of hitch bounce, any cart with single tires.....that let our search toward the multi-tired/multi-axled carts such as the Balzer and Bourgault carts
Re: Ok, what about Bourgault grain carts? « Reply #13 on Nov 2, 2009, 8:11am »
We grow lots of flowers and our J&M with movable spout if very easy to unload in to trucks and fill right in the middle. With two combines and a 1050 bu cart we only ever take two hoppers and then unload it so it usually isn't filled right up every time. Except in corn and sunflowers where to hoppers is all it can take since we unload on the go. IMO a five foot high tire will pull through the soft ground and the mud a lot easier than a 1.5 foot high tire. Count the axles and bearings and tires on that thing. Atleast the balzer is still still using big tires to minimize potential problems as much as they can. I would get a balzer way before a bourgault. I have nothing against bourgault, we run bourgault drills, I just prefer simplicity over complicated if it's going to do the exact same job anyways.
Re: Ok, what about Bourgault grain carts? « Reply #14 on Nov 6, 2009, 1:15pm »
I ran a Bourgault cart on the harvest run, and we also had a Kinze. My preference would be the Kinze by far(Between the two carts). All those little tires may seem like they have lots of flotation but when it gets soft and mucky, they sink and stop turning and then you are all of sudden trying to pull 1000 bushel sled. The big tires with bar tread will keep turning far longer than the little ones. Now as I read this I see that mbfarmer replied with the same information. Never had any mechanical trouble with either cart, so I can't comment on those comparables. Just not fond about the bourgault after that.
Re: Ok, what about Bourgault grain carts? « Reply #15 on Nov 8, 2009, 5:55am »
I guess I would have to go with the Brent or something similar for all the reasons listed above, so won't repeat. Regarding tires and flotation, I looked in my tire books and IN THEORY ONLY the numbers would tell you the Bourgault has adequate flotation on the ground: Assuming (don't have current literature) they are using a 21.5-16.1 tire, the square inches on the ground is 252 per tire (total 2016) A 900-32 is 662 per tire (total 1324) but of course (4) 900's total 2640, and (6) total 3972 (If you're Balzer-inclined). But I know which combo would stay up better in the mud, and it wouldn't be the smaller ones. Without rambling more, I would have to agree with JD Manitoba, Bourgault has a reputation for quality products, but I feel the Brent (or something similar) has got the edge. We have used our 1594 for one harvest and have no complaints.
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Re: Ok, what about Bourgault grain carts? « Reply #16 on Nov 22, 2009, 1:19pm »
We had a Bourgault with the turret auger, the turret was nice for topping up the semi's, but where the grain had to change directions from vertical to horizontal the flighting wore out quickly, especially in lentils and peas. Now have a corner auger 1282 Brent and it has been impressive, both in wear and grease points. The unload time is awesome and the pivoting spout really works well.
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Re: Ok, what about Bourgault grain carts? « Reply #17 on Nov 22, 2009, 2:11pm »
We run a 1282 Brent corner auger on the farm I work at, we had a custom harvester working with us that used our old A&L with 4 tires on it, and when it got wet the A&L was parked at the edge of the field, because frankly it just wouldn't float. It sank and like said above you just pull a cart around and it won't float, and at only half the size of the Brent we could carry a whole lot more on the Brent and not sink near as bad.
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